Posting from links
2004-10-04 23:03:26 ET

This is a test to see if I can post using Links. For those who don't know: "Links" is a text-based web browser that is run from console (aka "DOS prompt" aka "command line" aka "command prompt" aka "whatever you will.") I'm currently reading Neil Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon" and in it a few characters decide to create their own currency using ww2 filipino gold to back it up. The currency, in the book, will be all digital and its counterfeiting measures will rely upon cryptography. Thing is that the main characters mention, quite correctly, that you don't need anything to back up your currency to create currency. Most, if not all, of the world's currency isn't backed up by anything. We're not on the gold and silver standards anymore. At this day and age currency only holds value if it's:

A.) Hard for other people to create (i.e. "hard to counterfeit")

and
B.) it's issuance(is that the right word?) is propriatery(is that the right word?)

The book says that non-backed currency has a serious danger of collapsing like, the example is given, the Asian currency markets back in '95. Problem with that point is that the U.S. dollar and the British pound remain stable currencies (even though the dollar has lost some of its value over the years.) Thus you don't really need filipino(sp?) gold to back up your currency. You don't really need anything but good PR people to get the masses to use your money.
And online money is all good and fun until it gets hit by a Denial of Service attack.
Also I don't understand how cryptography is supposed to keep the digi-cash from being counterfeited. I remember an old issue of Time magazine focusing on the notion of "cyberspace". The issue contained an originalshort story by Neil Stephenson (guy mentioned above) and it was about...surprise, surprise, digi-cash and how governments might not exactly like it.

Since I'm on the subject of cash and governments not really liking currency competition from low-key players, and since I don't know if this message will post correctly, I'll go off on a wacky tangent.
There's this woman who is/was the Vice President of the Bank of America. She wrote some book, a fictional novel, which described how to steal money from banks the safe and easy way. Then the book evolved (or de-evolved, depending on how feasible you see the idea being) into the old scheme of:

A.) Get your own currency
B.) ???
C.) Profit.

Where "???" = "Keep the value of currency lower than the dollar. Let's say you call your currency "Monkeys". So 1 monkey = .05 dollars. So 1 dollar buys 20 Monkeys. Then you change the value of your currency (the book points out that the value of currency not backed by any assets is set by the currency issue him or herself.) to 1 dollar = .05 monkeys. Thus 1 monkey buys 20 dollars. Thus you're rich! You print up a few million monkeys and exchange them on ForEx (Foreign Exchange Market) for dollars. So where 20 million monkeys would buy 1 million dollars now 1 million monkeys would buy 20 million dollars. And since dollars are actually used to buy stuff you'll become rich! Rich I tell you!

Ofcourse it's probably more complicated than that but I haven't figured out how complicated it really is yet.

Ofcourse, I might just get a bank account and follow the Emperor Norton way of spreading your ideas: With humour and a bit of craziness. Google for Emperor Norton and you'll see what I mean.

Anyways, I gotta go now. I really, really, really hope this post actually gets posted.


2004-10-05 04:37:29 ET

isn't it lynx?

2004-10-05 05:24:38 ET

heh thats a good idea but the really hard part is getting anyone to acknowledge your currency so you cna exchange it

2004-10-05 05:43:45 ET

that's why they back it with gold bars, or at least that was the idea.

2004-10-05 07:06:52 ET

Yeah, but that plot device doesn't make sense because, as they point out, most (if not all) of the world's currency isn't backed up by anything. So gold won't really help them do anything. They say that the gold will be used to form a bank which will issue the digi-currency but the problem with that is the same as stated above: modern currency isn't backed up by anything. Goldfinger could rob Fort Knox for all he cares and the value of the dollar won't drop a Euro pence (or whatever it's called.)

Also, I forgot to mention that while goverments might not like people issuing their own currency at the same time it's a weird balance of power thing. Most of the countries in the European Union use Euros whose price is controlled by a single bank entity. I hope I'm right on that cause it's been a while since I read up on the Euro. Anyway, that bank now holds the power to the financial situation of all the Euro-using countries in the European Union. By lowering the price of the Euro it can force the European Union to do what the bank sees as good for itself. This idea of mine is probably too simple. It doesn' take into accont that, for the moment, a lot of the countries using the Euro are also still using their old currencies. Anyways, I forgot my original point.

Arsenic: No, it's "links". It's like a more souped(sp?) up lynx. Before lynx didn't support frames, and ssl so Links was created. Now both of them have the same features but Links, in my opinion, has a much better interface.

2004-10-05 07:12:59 ET

I think the intrinsic value of WW2 gold far outwieghs the value of any other use for it than collecting and selling as memorabilia

2004-10-05 07:18:11 ET

Well, no. You can't really sell bricks of gold to collectors. When each brick is composed of a million dollars worth of gold then you're going to have a hard time finding collectors who can, and are willing to pay that much cash. Plus it really doesn't have that much historical value. It's just gold looted from some anonymous banks and hidden as a last desperation during the end of the war. So it's not really that memorable. The gold artifacts obviously are but most of the gold is in brick form.

2004-10-05 07:59:57 ET

just gimme it

2004-10-05 18:46:54 ET

The best example of what you're saying is EverQuest currency.

2004-10-05 18:52:52 ET

Lol... when I first started reading this I was figuring on mentioning Emperor Norton but you beat me to it by the time I reached the end of it.

Do you think that maybe using a tangable medium by which to back the currency, such as gold, would help in establishing a value rather than just hoping that people will be willing to buy into it on faith? Then once you have established a value perhaps you can take away the backing and dump the currency you own personally into another form of currency. Probably starting with the getting rid of the currency would be best lol.

2004-10-06 06:31:58 ET

Well, that's the problem: In this day and age having something to back up currency with isn't something that's seen as being important. So having gold to back up your currency won't help you get your currency out.

Or so I think. I could be wrong. Hell, I'm still confused about how exactly is the currency value set in this day and age.Do "they" (people issuing CurrencyA) compare it (CurrencyB) against one other currency (which we'll call "CurrencyB") or do they individually set it against all other currencies? And how do they get the value of all the other currencies? What if 2 countries set the value of their currencies at the same time?

Enamon: EQ money is different. There's not that much of a demand for it, but, you're right. It's the nearest thing to what I've mentioned. Thing is that EQ's not a stable issuer of currency. The whole game can change with a new version and the money gathered can dissapear into thin digi-air.

2004-10-06 07:23:17 ET

Platinum has been almost completely devalued. Most of the high end items are only obtained through drops. you can pay for someone to help you obtain the items.

But you can get 100kpp for $100 thats been pretty constant


course someone once GAVE me 2k just for some bandaids....

2004-10-06 07:41:14 ET

At first I didn't have any idea about what you were talking about. Then I realized that you're talking about Everquest and it started to make sense.

2004-10-06 07:44:02 ET

heh yeah you're right

2004-10-06 07:47:25 ET

This is what I thought at first:

"Platinum has been almost completely devalued. Most of the high end items are only obtained through drops. you can pay for someone to help you obtain the items."

Platinum has been almost completly devalued? Since when? Why? It's one of the most rare, if not the most rare, metals on Earth! And you can only get it through drops? Mail drops? People steal platinum and sell it through mail drops?

"But you can get 100kpp for $100 thats been pretty constant"

Kpp? Is that a little or a lot of platinum? A 100 bucks for a lot of platinum sounds cool but I don't think that's what it is. Why is platinum so cheap?


"course someone once GAVE me 2k just for some bandaids...."

Wtf?!! Bandaids? A 100 bucks?!! Wtf?


.....

Oh! He's talking about Everquest!

*slaps forehead*

2004-10-06 07:52:11 ET

LOL yeah sorry bout that. Do you/have you played everquest?

2004-10-06 07:53:03 ET

Nope. Nancy Reagan told me to just say "No."

2004-10-06 07:53:37 ET

yeah Evercrack is bad for you

and not nearly as entertaining as it used to be

2004-10-06 14:05:21 ET

Just about teh same thought process went through my mind when I read that.

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